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Bonds and leverage and that's the approach we need to take. brian: we can talk for another couple hours but in congress the three.5 trillion in the three.2 trillion infrastructure packages is in trouble not because of your party that the democratic party this so-called moderates won't do three.five until they get one.2 100 members of the lesson they wanted one.2 or until they did a three.51st does pelosi have a way out of this? >> that what will she do? he is listening to the left and beholden to the progressives that's why she has these coupled together. so there is four.$5 trillion package k...

I plan to do with them. don't you think the media would show up and put it on television. i'm going to give a press conference to lay out my first 12 100 days at gettysburg. do you see what i'm saying? >> i understand what you're saying, i don't think donald trump's going to take advice from maria and the clinton campaign as much as i love maria or the media. >> that's why he's in such trouble. >> he reacts like a real person would react. a real person would want to defend themself if a dozen people -- i believe coordinated by the clinton campaign -- showed up and made false accusations. he's ...

Presidential election, there were 135 possible -- just possible -- voter fraud cases referred to law enforcement just for more investigation. that is about 2/100 of 1% of the voters. joining me now are nina turner, ohio state senator and a canada for ohio secretary of state and msnbc's krystal ball. senator turner, so how many convictions do you get in a typical year or in any year in ohio on voter fraud? i'm not impressed by this number of, this is how many referrals we made to law enforcement to investigate. i want to know how many cases they actually brought and got a conviction on, because...

>> neil: your argument is sound but people will say we need to go to business types because they're experienced at dealing with waste, fraud and abuse and might come in handy in your state and that's why she does as well as she does in the polls. you're neck and neck but you should be trouncing here, right? >> she spent over $100 million. i have spent one 2/100 of that. >> neil: but everyone knows you. up until a few months ago no one knew her. >> more people know meg whitman than george washington. i'm going to be the fresh face in the election. >> neil: i wanted to get your sense of the part...