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The borders since george bush took office. it has become an extraordinary problem and the reason the american people are concerned is because they are seeing their own economic position slip away. >> martha: it's interesting to look back at that. we didn't hear a lot last night. the tenor of the conversation has changed so dramatically since then. why do you think that is? >> two reasons. number one, in the run-up period to 12,007 that he's describing, there was a dramatic increase in the number of undocumented peope in the united states. after the financial crisis of the recession, the number...

House for the time being. but is it your sense that the two are going to get past this and sit down again? the president's message to nancy pelosi and chuck schumer, if you aren't changing your position, there's no point in talking. if you aren't changing your position holding the government hostage we're not talking, that is the problem. >> the democrats are going to pay a political price for this. they helped gut reform championed in 12007 by george w. bush, senator ted kennedy and senator john mccain. when they had overwhelming majorities in 2009 and 2010 they did nothing. they could have p...