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From what i understood, you worthy architect in some way but i misspoke may be. you would be saying that james clapper committed perjury. did he? >> he was talking about a fisa court order. all these collections being done under executive order 12333. >> director clapper actually testified that there was not bulk data collection and then had a corrected testimony when the wikileaks came out. >> sean: what laws do you believe are broken here? >> look, anytime you are sharing a national security information or classified information, you are talking about espionage. >> sean: the espionage act we...

Misspoke may be. you would be saying that james clapper committed perjury. did he? >> he was talking about a fisa court order. all these collections being done under executive order 12333. >> director clapperer actually testified that there was not bulk data collection and then had a corrected testimony when the wikileaks came out. >> sean: what laws do you believe are broken here? >> look, anytime you are sharins a national security information or classified information, you are talking about espionage. >> sean: the espionage act we are talking about. then the release on general flynn was a v...

Flynn was a violation of the espionage act? >> correct, every time they did it by the way. multiple felonies. what needs to be taking right now, i have complete confidence in attorney general sessions. an investigation not done the way eric holder and loretta lynch did it but compiling a grand jury, find out who leaked the information, prosecute them to the fullest of the law. >> sean: when they expanded the executive order of 12333, that was supposed to make it more difficult to identify those people? why would they do that? >> that is the only reason because what it did was it took a very sm...

Multiple felonies. what needs to be taken right now, i have complete confidence in attorney general sessions. an investigation not done the way eric holder and loretta lynch did it but compiling a grand jury, find out who leaked the information, prosecute them to the fullest of the law. >> sean: when they expanded the executive order of 12333, that was supposed to make it more difficult to identify those people? 1po why would they do that?t? >> that is the only reasonse because what it did was it took a very small pool of people andt increased it 17 fold. it makes it much more difficult. but i...

>> to release information, sean, there is an ongoing investigation the president should be giving information out. that would be appropriate, turning over to congress -- >> sean: so it was meaningless when he said he did not directed? bill, let me go back to you.>> executive order 12333. it was revised in the final two weeks of the obama administration. eo 12333. that allows our government to literally wiretap and metadata store every phone call of every citizen, every text and email? that is your p belief? >> it is section 23c that actually says if you have the intent to find a drug dealer an...