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January 6. but it doesn't seem that you can change the direction of the republican party where it is now inconceivable that the next republican vice president that we have would participate in a process that would give the electoral result to a democrat in a presidential election. >> well, one of the things we're looking at is the electoral account act which was drafted in the 1800s, and is not very specific and is not really -- it is not required in the way it's drafted by the 12th amendment. so we're going take a look at crafting the law so that the room for mischief is quite minimal. the vi...

Inconceivable that the next republican vice president we have wouldn't participate in a process that would give the electoral result to a democrat in the election. >> one of the things we are looking at is the electoral -- act in the 1800s and is not specific and not really -- it is not required in the way it's drafted by the 12th amendment. we are going to take a look at crafting the law so that the room for mischief is quite minimal. the vice president actually doesn't have any rule in the constitution of the 12 amendments except that he opens the envelope. that's all the constitution says. ...

Pence, so this will live on forever in the trump/pence dynamic which will carry over into 2024, but the idea that this has so taken root in the republican party is even more stunning in many ways. >> that's exactly right, john. in all seriousness, pence was receiving advice from a very serious and well-regarded cadre of lawyers, people like greg jacob who actually was under siege with vice president pence when the insurrection happened, but we uncovered in our reporting over the weekend by a group of 75 "post" reporters that worked on this january 6th project for months that greg jacob had act...

Post he was not blaming pence for the violence. a trump spokesperson to not respond to the posts comments, and estimates news has not yet seen the article, eastman by the way could get a subpoena unless you voluntarily cooperate with the committee. msnbc legal analyst glenn kirschner joins us this morning, along with democratic strategist crystal night. welcome to both of you. glenn, what stands out to you when you listen to that? you see the piece and you hear that little clip from the radio show? >> you know kendis, it is not that vice president pence did not have the courage or the spine to...

Says "i've got extremely relevant information, but i'm afraid that i may have committed a crime," then i would say they could enter into a conversation with our lawyers about use immunity. congress has statutory power to grant what's called use immunity. we won't use against you what you're telling us if you tell us everything you know and you tell us the truth. >> i want to ask you before we let you go about reporting i have with my colleague jeremy herb. it is that the select committee is targeting a 150-year-old law in an effort to prevent another january 6th. and we've heard that law refer...