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Amounted to nothing less than witness tampering. the statute that's involved is section 1512 of the united states code, and i'll just read from it because it's spot on. whoever knowingly engages in misleading conduct -- which we clearly have here. he misled everybody for six weeks about these tapes. -- toward another person with intent to influence the testimony of any person in an official proceeding commits a crime. i mean it couldn't be any clearer. this is just part of his entire obstruction of justice that he has been constantly perpetrating since the time he asked comey to forget about t...

That tape in basically threatening comey as a witness amounted to nothing less than witness tampering. the statute that's involved is section 1512 of the united states code, and i'll just read from it because it's spot on. whoever knowingly engages in misleading conduct -- which we clearly have here. he misled everybody for six weeks about these tapes. -- toward another person with intent to influence the testimony of any person in an official proceeding commits a crime. i mean it couldn't be any clearer. this is just part of his entire obstruction of justice that he has been constantly perpet...

Then you look at 1503 which professor tribe just cited or maybe 1510, or 1512, all of which deal with obstruction of pending proceedings. the word proceeding is a legal term of art. it does not include an fbi investigation. and every single court that has looked at that question has said an fbi investigation is not a pending proceeding within the meaning of the obstruction statutes. >> all right, let me get larry tribe in here because we're on television and this might be getting too technical. >> well, i obviously don't agree. i don't agree. i'm a lawyer, too. i have read those statutes. 1503...

Then you look at 1503 which professor tribe just cited or maybe 1510, or 1512, all of which deal with obstruction of pending proceedings. the word proceeding is a legal term of art. it does not include an fbi investigation. and every single court that has looked at that question has said an fbi investigation is not a pending proceeding within the meaning of the obstruction statutes. >> all right, let me get larry tribe in here because we're on television and this might be getting too technical. >> well, i obviously don't agree. i don't agree. i'm a lawyer, too. i have read those statutes. 1503...

To the president may occur after he has left office. that was always the case with respect to president clinton, but the reality is that while he is under investigation, there is no indictment that could be forthcoming, but there could be a report that could be sent to the congress of the united states in which mr. mueller concludes that, in fact, the conduct that the president was involved inme amounted to code sections 1512 -- amounted to obstruction of justice. >> there's no question, of course, out there which is the attorney general of the united states recused from the russia investigati...