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And pettifog, it's notable his approach failed first because comey offered thorough testimony that even republican senators praised. second, because comey flipped the script on trump and basically punked him over the tapes saying if they existed, they would exonerate comey. >> look, i've seen the tweet about tapes. lordy, i hope there are tapes. >> third, trump's tweet failed because it drew a formal demand to release any tapes. congress set a deadline of today, which is why trump admitted there were none. yes, some things do matter. and, fourth, this all failed because trump's tweet about tap...

With nick akerman, a former assistant watergate prosecutor and former u.s. attorney there in the southern district, as well as e.j. dionne, an opinion writer for "the washington post." nick, a lot of time spent on the tapes. some people feel time wasted. but as you go through the record that i just did there, it would seem this did lead to some things, and they might be good for the investigation. >> well, what he's done is he's just continued his obstruction of justice. i mean what he has done with that tape in basically threatening comey as a witness amounted to nothing less than witness tam...

>> do you find it odd? >> not with the president trump. >> right. >> i attended a fair number of meetings on that with president obama. >> james comey speaking about the two administrations in the approach to russia. joining me now is a former ambassador to russia, ambassador michael mcfaul. thanks for joining me. >> sure. >> right before the break i played new sound from president trump arguing obama didn't do enough. and then you have the big report today i'm sure you have a front row seat to it i know there is parts you can and can't talk about. put it in context for us what the "washington...

You've got the threat to fire -- first the try and influence comey and then the firing itself. and now you've got the attack on mueller, where there is clearly an effort to build up the idea that mueller is biased, that, you know, god forbid, he's hiring people who made contributions to democrats. so he has a political track where he's trying to create pressure, and then he's got the legal track. >> here was trump on mueller. >> he's very, very good friends with comey, which is very bothersome. but he's also -- we're going to see. i mean we're going to have to see in terms -- look, there has b...

You've got the president of the united states admitting that he got rid of comey because of the russian investigation. you've got him admitting to the russian ambassador that he fired comey because he didn't want the russian investigation on his back. and now you've got him admitting to fox news, in kind of a most convoluted way, that he was trying to manipulate comey's testimony. ladies and gentlemen of the jury, what more do you need to convict this man of obstruction of justice? >> e.j. dionne, what more do you need? >> i don't need that much. i think what's striing as nick says is that whe...