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Subsidy to pbs, endowment for the humanities and cutting congress back to '08 levels in spending and you are there. i believe that way the republicans go to the country and say we're not shutting down the government. we are shutting down three unnecessary programs, zero funding them. if the democrats still cling to those programs, the onus is on them. >> sean: that's a good idea. let me see if i can give some perspective. i think americans are getting lost in millions, billions and trillions. 3.7 trillion is a lot. in three years obama accumulating nearly five trillion in debt is a lot of mone...

Subsidy to pbs, endowment for the humanities and cutting congress back to '08 levels in spending and you are there. i believe that way the republicans go to the country and say we're not shutting down the government. we are shutting down three unnecessary programs, zero funding them. if the democrats still cling to those programs, the onus is on them. >> sean: that's a good idea. let me see if i can give some perspective. i think americans are getting lost in millions, billions and trillions. 3.7 trillion is a lot. in three years obama accumulating nearly five trillion in debt is a lot of mone...