Happened in the past and apply its own laws. Concerning the allegations, i have stressed that no one in the new team governing ukraine had anything to do with anything that may have happened in 2016. They were making Television Shows at the time. I also said that it is not credible to me that former Vice President biden would have been influenced anyway by financial or personal motives in carrying out his duties as Vice President. A different issue is whether some individual ukrainians may have attempted to influence the 2016 election or thought they could buy influence. That is at least as possible. But the accusation Vice President biden acted inappropriately, did not seem credible to me. I connected them by text and later by phone. They met in person on august 2nd 2019. In conversations with me
following that meeting, which i did not attend, mr. Giuliani said that he stressed the importance of the ukraine conducting investigations of what happened in the past. And he said it is the
represented real change in ukraine, the statement should include specific reference. there was no mention of vice president biden these conversations. we discussed these points and i added the statements to include these points to see how it looks. i then discussed it further. he said that for a number of reasons, including the fact that he was still officially the prosecutor general, they do not want to mention 2016. i agreed. the idea of putting out a statement was shelved. these were the last conversations i had about this statement, which were on or about august 17th-18th. my last contact according to my records was on august 13th. until he tried to reach me on september 20th after the impeachment inquiry was launched. at this time, that is to say in the middle of august, i thought the idea of issuing the