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President saying in public even after all this, even after the caving, that this is still somehow a winning campaign issue. for more insights on this strange state of play we turn to michael beschloss, nbc news presidential historian. as always, great to have you tonight. >> thanks, ari. >> as you can tell us better than most, there is nothing new about strenuous political debates over immigration in the united states with very strong and sometimes ugly racial undertow. what do you see -- go ahead. >> i'm just agreeing with you. you are absolutely right. and you have to go back all the way to ...

Life. where i am from, it's who i am. but it used to be like two out of three families in this town, this community, were fishing families. most of them are now gone. and we're really like a minority. used to be a fishing community with a homosexual problem. now it's a homosexual community with a fishing problem. >> anthony: the first portuguese fishermen arrived here in 1840. the main families created a community built around fishing, and this town lived off that industry well into the 20th century. it persisted even when i was here, keeping up old catholic fishing traditions like the blessin...

Clear what documents were actually presented to devin nunes or to trey gaddy. were they able to look at the documents were not look at the documents? the details of the meeting will not be released. >> they were tight-lipped about this. >> as they should be. but i think the bigger concern is, will devon nunez and trey gowdy be able to get the information, look at the information without reduction? we see these problems where they will redact things, withholding it from congress. well, since 1840 in the oversight committee, we have that responsibility. nothing should be redacted from congress, ...

Of them. that's his best man his brother prince william. some are seated in the choir area because it is a smaller church and she had the choice. she could have gotten married at westminster abby and saint paul's cathedral which is huge and that's where diana got married. they chose to be out here in windsor. it's about an hour outside of london. and it is where the queen and her husband come to the countryside out here every weekend i'm being told. when the queen is here. the standard, the flag flies above the round tower in the background. it went up a few days ago. there have been 15 royal ...

About it. it's a form of institutionalized bigotry based on racism. against people coming from the south. and until we recognize that, they will keep insisting that this is the top national security priority of the united states. >> tara, just to make that point. if you look at where the countries of origin are for unauthorized immigrants in the united states. 6.2 million from mexico. caveat. that mexico used to do half of the western united states. there are a lot of people that were already there. but anyway, 6.2 from mexico, then guatemala, el salvador and hondurans. so it's a brown immigra...