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I think, you know, in talking with historians over the last couple days these two other moments in time that we have looked back to, 1923, the last time there was a real protracted battle and 1855 when it stretched into a new year, look at what came after those periods of time. the civil war, an extended period of american isolation. kevin mccarthy has said that it doesn't matter how it begins, it matters how it ends, but i think the way this ends is not the end, it is just the beginning of what the next two years are going to look like and that's the real issue. it's not whether kevin mccarth...

Former house speaker and fox news political analyst. great to see you today. your top line thought on where we are as we have seen a failure in the 11th round by kevin mccarthy to become the next speaker. >> well, from mccarthy's standpoint is good news is he won't break the next record which was 1855 when it took 133 ballots and two months. so he has broken all the records he will be able to break. the other good news for mccarthy is he will come out of this a much better known national figure and the house will be much more important as a result of all the attention everybody is paying. now,...

There is a lot of concessions that have been made. many of the members that are the holdouts have said, he's given us everything we have asked for. we're still not gonna vote for him. so, i'm wondering, does this man want us to be subjected to months to a year of not being sworn in, the house not being organized, is he gonna sit through 33 votes, and go back to 1859? that was the last time it happened. >> oh no! >> 133 votes, which is 1855, that's happened. again, also, what does this say about you? when the objection to your leadership is similar in history to the objection of leadership that...

>> alexandria ocasio-cortez? >> there is alexandria ocasio-cortez. >> here it is. >> ogles? omar? >> it looks like he didn't vote. >> andrea, help put this in perspective. the intensity of this has really brought a lot of americans who aren't political junkies into the math of the big board, into the intricacies of behind the closed door dealings. we haven't seen anything like this. >> to, we haven't. it's historic in every context. we're talking about more than what happened in 1923. we're going back to 1855. this is the 12th of these roll calls. we're seeing the sausage being made behind the...

We're just trying to get a vote done on the speaker of the house. >> of course. and i agree with you. and i would like to get that done by tomorrow morning, and i know that is not happening. but it doesn't matter. it's part of democracy. >> sure. >> this happened in 1855. it took three months for a speaker to show up. i know i would like this to be happening tomorrow morning, but i think we should look at the story from another angle. it's messy. it's bad. it's uncomfortable. we don't like it. and obviously we want to get to business. but it's democracy. and sometimes it's not perfect. but, yo...