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Remains -- >> i think there's probably a fair number of people watch thing who find it hard to get worked up over a man who killed and raped and murdered a pregnant woman, having a bad last few minutes of his life. >> yeah, maybe that's true. still, when you listen to this man's description when he passed, it's hard for anybody who is compassionate to feel like this is a good thing to do in a civilized society. >> what's the reaction in dayton, josh? >> well, it depends on who you ask, obviously. the family hired an attorney who told us today that they plan to file an injunction against the st...

But none wind up being exactly as they want to be or as the executioners want them to be. maybe it's just impossible to have those two. >> this is maybe a dumb question, but why not have a firing squad? if you're going to kill people, or a guillotine, which seems pretty -- >> utah, which is the last state to have a firing squad, gary gilmore, he was executed by firing squad. and perhaps that may come back. there is an issue of whether that is cruel and unusual. whether that would be in violation of the 8th amendment. i don't know. >> what's the difference between killing somebody by putting th...

The legal system drawing that distinction. the death penalty is not just one thing, it is -- there are multiple ways you can kill people, and some are more humane than others. although those distinctions are very hard to draw. >> we'll see. josh sweigart, i appreciate you -- i can imagine it was traumatic to watch. thank you. from questions of cruel and unusual punishment now to a guy who told the truth and is paying the price. when ron martin was standing on the highway holding a sign, police ahead, he was arrested and charged with a misdemeanor. he said he was only trying to help law enfor...

Remarkable. >> what it does is reflects how strongly we are feeling about our beliefs and how divicive things are. but wayne, let me move on to obamacare. what do you think about how it is affecting our economy and you talk about equal freedom. talk to us about that. >> well, i think the law itself is obviously imperfect. we know that. it's terrible. people justify it by saying the congress both houses passed it and the supreme court sprinkled holy water on it and you shouldn't question it. the same is true of the 18th amendment and we turned around and got rid of the 18th amendment. this thin...

Remarkable. >> what it does is reflects how strongly we are feeling about our beliefs and how divicive things are. but wayne, let me move on to obamacare. what do you think about how it is affecting our economy and you talk about equal freedom. talk to us about that. >> well, i think the law itself is obviously imperfect. we know that. it's terrible. people justify it by saying the congress both houses passed it and the supreme court sprinkled holy water on it and you shouldn't question it. the same is true of the 18th amendment and we turned around and got rid of the 18th amendment. this thin...