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He is not used to the consensus listen to a lot of different opinions and figure that out. he's not used to the, you know, having tens -- hundreds of thousands of people working for him. he's not used to -- i mean, when -- as a new york businessperson, he ran a pretty tight ship in terms of people not leaking, talking publicly about dirty laundry. well, that can't happen. so it's going to be a very different thing for him. >> you still maintain that he has unusually short fingers, right? >> absolutely. and that they said "bigly," but, yeah. >> kurt anderson, stick around. we'll continue this c...

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Little bit controversial. but again, democrats can only do so much and can only speak out and, you know, it depends on how many of them want to just give the president-elect what he wants out of courtesy, which i think some will do, and how many want to kind of make a stand from the very beginning that they're going to stand up to every single thing that donald trump does. >> yeah, all right, jenna johnson and jennifer epstein, thank you both. appreciate your coverage and joining us, as always. we're going to check in with the communications director of the trump transition, the jason miller...

In fairness, we've given credit to him for different positions that he's taken, as a candidate. >> okay. but, in fact, the campaign's kind of a blur for me now, mark. >> we look forward to next year. >> when i come back, i'll -- >> when you're back. >> james behnen, perhaps making his final appearance on this show. we shall see, not because he wasn't great, because he was. when we come back, john's interview with the q tip, the abstract of the group, tribe called quest. you're not going to want to miss it. and if you're watching the show in washington, d.c., you can listen to the show on radio...

Anti-semitic tropes, anti-semitic ideas, and a kind of general world view that is hostile to jews. so, in that sense, trump can be right and wrong at the same time. and the fact that his son-in-law is an orthodox use doesn't inoculate him, but this is one of those things where we'll have to see what he does. you know, we're still talking about him talking and talking and talking wiand at some point he will act. and when he acts, we'll have a basis to judge his behavior, not just his words. john podhoerts talking about how we're all talking too much. >> careful what you wish for. >> david frum,...