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And it's trying to continue doing this. we have seen this from the very first start of the war, back in 2014. remember, ma-17, when it was downed by russian troops, with the support of russian military, that particular incident, as they called it, was portrayed by russia in seven or eight different ways, they were trying to picture it as nothing that had any relation to russian federation. we know a couple of years later that it was already connected, and legally connected to russian federation, so this time right now, russia is just continuing on this way, and we have tone sure that our major...

Failed state. if he can't have it as part of russia, he doesn't want it to succeed. you know, for a thousand years going back to the czars, the russians felt most secure when the countries on their border were least secure. that's what he's trying to do in ukraine. and in fact, i would add to what erin was saying, which is sort of in my wheelhouse, is that russia has used ukraine as a laboratory for disinformation and cyber warfare going back to 2014. remember, what they did in ukraine in 2014 was a rehearsal for what they did here in 2016. another option for them is they could end the electri...

Night, shock and awe, as some were hoping but it's on ward and moving forward. putin was pretty clear about what he plans to do, husband objectives. wants to demilitarize ukraine and that suggestions he will go a the entire area and i even fear if you read what he's been saying, he might even round up and try to arrest those that led the revolution of dignity in 2014. remember, that's the thing that he's been so animated about in 2014 and an earlier so-called color revolutions, in ukraine before and georgia before that and the object spring and his own country in 2011 and i think he's decided ...

What are you hearing since we last spoke 90 minutes ago? where are we? >> well, pretty much the same. four axis of advance certainly into ukraine proper itself. some of that resistance is having some impact on the russian advance but the outcome is predictable. they will be able to achieve all of their military objectives. it is just a question of time is a factor here. ukraine military doesn't -- they have the will to be sure and they have a fair amount of skill but they just don't have the capabilities and resources that the russians have. the thing that i have always said that where putin i...

The border with belarus. they came across the border and wanted to hit the northwestern edge of kyiv and northeastern edge of kyiv. they seem to have done that rather successfully but still they are several miles outside of the city center and so far the capital city is holding. i mentioned the south. let me pop down there quick. crimea was taken by russia in 2014. remember that, right? they crossed this irrigation canal the other day and met very little resistance and able to go to the east as far as mariupol. a half million people in that town on the sea. putin wants to take and occupy and k...