failed state. if he can't have it as part of russia, he doesn't want it to succeed. you know, for a thousand years going back to the czars, the russians felt most secure when the countries on their border were least secure. that's what he's trying to do in ukraine. and in fact, i would add to what erin was saying, which is sort of in my wheelhouse, is that russia has used ukraine as a laboratory for disinformation and cyber warfare going back to 2014. remember, what they did in ukraine in 2014 was a rehearsal for what they did here in 2016. another option for them is they could end the electricity supply, end the water supply, all of those things that they had been fooling around with for years in ukraine. and that's another way of turning ukraine into a failed state, which is kind of a fifth option. >> yeah, matt, that's such a scary possibility, right, rick? i mean, the future for ukraine, i mean, they had that border