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Spending i would cut domestic spending, the exact same amount. that separates some conservatives in this race. there are conservatives several who are running or may run who say, oh increase defense at all costs. i will increase defense spending but only if you pay for it by cutting other stuff. >> if you cut a penny across the board, does that mean you cut medicare social security? in other words, in real 2015 dollars, next year, it's going to be a penny less across the board with any exception? >> i think what you have to do is throw that out and say, we either do it 1% across the board or m...

Government? is that what you're saying you want to do? >> i don't think we've ever had a politician run for the presidency who stood up and said, i'm going to cut one penny out of every dollar. a real cut. and then maybe something you don't get from government, but that one penny out of a dollar will cause us to balance the budget within five years. >> one penny across the board but you want to also spend $190 billion more on defense. so you have do have flexibility. >> a couple of ways to have flexibility. one, if you raise defense spending i would cut domestic spending, the exact same amount...