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I think victoria is absolutely right. when you look back over the course of the last several years it's going to be hard for christie to walk away from the fact that he referred to the republican base as crazies. i think this is going to be something that will be a recurring problem for him that will make it very challenging for him in primaries and caucuses in 2016. >> it's like you're a star witness in a criminal trial or something and i'm interrogating you. it's possible, but we don't know until we see. lee, let me ask you about this, when it comes to whether or not chris christie is really...

You're hearing, i thought 2012 was a circus. this is going to be phenomenal in 2016, isn't it? >> i mean, look, every republican primary is entertaining to watch. also a democratic primaries. ted cruz's father is going to be a force on the campaign trail. but he reminds me in some ways of the dynamic between hillary and bill in 2008 where bill was profoundly eve as i an surrogate but also very difficult for the campaign to control and had the power to knock the campaign off message for days at a time. we'll see that in 2016. obviously there are differences. >> i never recalled president clinto...

Biden's leadership role in the violence against women act, there are a number of things that he has done that has earned him a place in history and a role in the leadership of the political class of the united states. and i think it is too early for any of us to prejudge what should happen in 2016. obviously secretary clinton did a remarkable job as secretary of state. she would have a commanding national position were she to be a candidate in 2016. i think there's a lot of time to play out between now and then. >> thanks so much, senator koontz. and let's go back to seoul, south korea and ric...

2016 was within sight. she's running. joining me now robert traman and joe sestak, democrat from pennsylvania. gentlemen, good morning. so congressman the article goes on the say a lot of factors could derail secretary clinton between now and 2016. obviously health, family matters, renewed clinton fatigue out there. but what would secretary clinton bring to the table now do you think as a presidential candidate that she didn't quite have maybe four years ago? >> right. obviously, chris, you know i think with the fiscal cliff coming down our pike right now that's what we should be focused on. t...

Gillibrand said she's calling for hillary clinton to run in 2016. >> obviously there's a lot of people who would be strong candidates. she'd be a strong candidate. >> do you think she'll do it? >> what she's focused on is doing one of best jobs in the country as secretary of state. >> david plouffe, thank you. coming up here, more on the shooting death of trayvon martin and troubling questions about racial attitudes in this country. plus, politics and the latest on the 012 campaign. we have a special roundtable here this morning, the naacp's ben jealous, npr's michele morris and foreign miss...