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>> they're making the same calculation that we've seen trump's rivals make all the way back to 2016. somehow, eventually, his supporters will reach a breaking point and move away from him toward me. but i don't want my fingerprints on it. i don't want to do anything that he can point to, or that could potentially alienate those voters. and conceivably, if there are in fact four indictments, you could get to a certain level of what some would describe to me as indictment fatigue among more republican voters than expressing it today. this is an enormous gamble. they are not even making -- i mean...

>> that's right, nicole, and look, it happened in the open. that was what was so, you know, amazing about it at the time. the president tweeted, like, h ha, it's time to get rid of this guy before his 90 days come and then it happened. it was all very obvious and it sent a flare through the bureaucracy, through the fbi, that this guy will come after you if you cross him and don't bend to his will. i think the final irony for me, always, with andy mccabe is that his alleged offense was to be involved in a leak of a story about hillary clinton's private email server, which of course was a story ...

Bill, i also buy that except -- and i always hesitate to get into the psychology of this president. however, it may -- it seems to me that even talking about it may be such an affront to him that republican senators dare not go there. is that what you think is going on from covering the white house and how they've responded to this? >> i think you're right. i think jake is right. both of your points. there are certain subjects around this president that has aides know not to bring up with russian election interference at the top of the list. there's been times where aides have gone out of thei...

Going to have a country. >> reporter: interestingly, the president said, his preference, the wall that he slikd one that had metal slats that you could see through. the agents are always concerned what's on the other side of the wall. all of this academic because the president has to get money for all of this from sxong in an election year, that's a tough job. >> thank you. on the other side of the country, people are voting in the great commonwealth of pennsylvania. a test for republicans and for the president in a district that the president won by 20 points in 2016. somehow, republicans a--...