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What weve been discussing w today, which involved in a regular channel, was a request that went against u. S. Policy that have have undermined the rule of law and our longstanding policy goals in ukraine, as in other countries in the postsoviet space. Those policies which were indeed championed by ambassador yovanovitch. You also testified on october 15th in the deposition about fundamental reforms necessary for ukraine to fight corruption and to transform the country. And you t cited the importance reforming certain institutions, notably was investigating President Trumps political opponents a part of those necessary reforms . Was it on that list of yours or indeed was it on any list . No, they werent. In fact, historically, is it not true that a major problem in the ukraine has been its misuse of prosecutors, precisely to conduct investigation of political opponents. Thats a legacy i dare suggest from the soviet era when, as yo ....
Influential individuals in ukraine, correct . Correct. I think is one of the few that fan both the Poroshenko Administration and the zelensky administration. Yes, thats correct. Looking back on his comments in hindsight, do you see how that might create a perception that a very influential ukrainian was advocating against then candidate trump . That he was doing what, im sorry . He was out to get him. He said some real nasty things. Well, sometimes that happens on social media. [laughter] are you asking you whether its appropriate . Probably not. But i would say that minister avakov, as well as others, both in president poroshenkos administration as well is in the lutsenko administration, has been a good partner to the United States. As i think i told you before, he is a very practical man. Looking for partners in getting the job done. Im shocked about social media ....
Hes one of the more influential officials in the ukraine, correct . Yes. I believe hes one of the few that stands with lutsenko and the zelensky administration. Yes, thats correct. Look k back at hing back a , hindsight, who was doing what . He was out to get him. He said some nasty things. Sometimes that happens on social media. And are you asking me whether it is appropriate, probably not. But i would say that minister ivankoff has been as well as others both in lutsenko and zelensky administration have been a good partner to the United States as i think i told you before. Hes a practical man and looking for partners and getting the job done. I am shocked that social media would be the sight of negative comments. You certainly can understand that the president aware of the ministers statement and aware of what mr. Lutsenko was up to and these other elements that we have discussed, there are forms of reasonable bases to wonder why ....
Of law and our fierce constitutional patriotism. Now, it looked like President Trump might get away with his ukraine shakedown. After all most americans didnt know anything about it and the few who learned of it would be too afraid, too intimidated to cross the most powerful man on earth. President trump could rest easy. But if donald trump misjudged the american character, the framers of our constitution did not. I count 17 honorable Public Servants who came forward to testify over the intimidation and disparagement of the president. Is that right, mr. Goldman . Yes. There was 17. And i counted dozen Career State Department and National Security officials who served republican and democratic president s alike over decades who came to testify. In fact, ....
That was the only person i could think of. Prior to working for the yurt council worked for Ranking Member nunes, is that right . I only found that out after the fact. I wondered why i was being asked about him, so i looked it up. You cautioned us on dangers that members of this committee pedaling any Conspiracy Theories that could benefit russia, i want to ask if you heard the nameless parness who was questioning Rudy Giuliani about the Conspiracy Theories. Are you aware he was indicted october 10 for making foreign contributions to republicans in u. S. Elections . I am aware of the reports, yes. Are you aware of yesterdays daily beast story reporting the indicted Ukranian Parn as is working with nunes ....