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Of arizona a guy named adrian fantasy is running five points behind mike fish room for secretary of state who is an oath keeper who has pledged that he will not certify any election that joe biden or another democrat winds in 2024. basically taking arizona off the board -- >> his logic was that he didn't meet anyone who voted for joe biden tried to argue that it was a fantasy to meet somebody -- >> he told my daughter charlotte older who writes for time magazine that he had never met anyone who voted for joe biden is there arizona therefore it was impossible that joe biden had won the state or...

Hoping and looking for an alternative in 2024. basically, liz cheney and a handful of democrats doing the job that a lot of republicans are quietly happy to be seeing done. >> elliott, let's talk about this. i want to get the language corrected. cassidy hutchinson is testimony was heard in the justice department. there are reporting that top officials are openly discussing trumps conduct. it is a meaningful change. they were discussing this already? >> it's a revealing look inside the justice department. is not an encouraging look at all. here is the deal. they get beat to cassidy hutchinson. ...

Have a big uphill climb ahead of them and you heard senator warren say that this morning, that she was very concerned. but i do want to, given the fact that you are a republican, a life-long republican, it is fair to ask about the state of the party and how you see the future of it? i watched your interview this morning. you were non-committal on whether you support donald trump for president in 2024. basically saying you'd likely vote for the republican but non-committal on him specifically. other senate republicans are non-committal. mitch mcconnell as well? i'm curious, why is that? >> i th...

Adequate enough. mcconnell, on his own record, is saying that he would rip support donald trump if he ran for president 2024. basically, the position is, look, all support donny soprano. it is kind of a bad guy. we [inaudible] you have two -- republicans for years said you cannot negotiate with evil. that was true. and that's what they're doing. they are negotiating with evil. you have to pick a side. we are right, they're wrong. are you for democracy or against democracy? >> mona, your thought? >> i mean, the part where i constantly feel as if i'm in a twilight zone episode is that trump's so...

Support donald trump if he ran for president 2024. basically, the position is, look, all support donny soprano. it is kind of a bad guy. we [inaudible] you have two -- republicans for years said you cannot negotiate with evil. that was true. and that's what they're doing. they are negotiating with evil. you have to pick a side. we are right, they're wrong. are you for democracy or against democracy? >> mona, your thought? >> i mean, the part where i constantly feel as if i'm in a twilight zone episode is that trump's sociopath-y is so obvious, the fact that he wanted to watch and re-watch the ...