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Plumbers unit, which was meant to plug leaks. as opposed to the plumbers that we now need to unplug the -- 's. so sorry about that. this 2071 of title 18 which is the criminal code, does allow a punishment of never being able to hold federal office again for violating it. and it is quite obvious that the actions of the president in concealing these documents assuming that it was not just an accidental removal, to mar-a-lago, is guilty of that. and he was prosecuted, he would never be able to hold office again. there is of course a political consequence being discussed, that maybe the current a...

We clearly need amendments to the presidential records act. the -- needs to be clarified what the criminal penalties are. we shouldn't have to rely on 2071 of the criminal code for someone doing this. stealing the documents, if you went into the archives, and stole them, that's clearly been prosecuted. sandy burner from the clinton administration was prosecuted for that. >> but as that lee points out, there is a whole bunch of politics. not just the politics -- i just want to cover this before another time. the media coverage, the emails, the 2016 presidential election coverage, and now we get...

Statutes that are violated like 2071 which forbids the concealment, the removal or the destruction of the documents. it is no defense that his defenders are saying this is how donald trump ran his business. he ripped up memos and stuff like that. that's not a defense. jimmy carter can't comply georgia government rules when he's the president. the first president bush can't apply cia rules. the second president bush cannot apply texas ranger rules. you are the president of the united states. there is a rulebook that applies. it's criminal. these are fairly easy cases. i think if they are not br...

Said here is the presidential records act, was passed after watergate because nixon tried to destroy documents. it's a crime to violate this. he had to have been told about that. and trump was bent on hiding evidence, whether he was ripping it up or trying to hide it in mar-a-lago or whatever. you get the sense that donald trump would have burned all these documents of somebody on his staff would have trusted him with a match. there are several criminal statutes that are violated like 2071 which forbids the concealment, the removal or the destruction of the documents. it is no defense that his...

But you know, the national archives story is a danger zone for trump in a couple of different ways. even though the presidential records act is largely toothless. it's 18 usc 2071 which provides for criminal penalties for the concealment, removal or mutilation of official records, not only is that a three-year federal felony but importantly, anybody who is convicted under that statute is prohibited from holding federal office. but here's the other danger zone. even if strictly speaking there is never a charge brought against donald trump for criminally removing presidential documents, it's par...