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That's fine. but look, again, if -- if the tea party is making their litmus test, if their sign of ideological commitment is shutting down the government or refusing to set the debt limit to put america in default, they're fundamentally not serious. they should be focused on entitlement reform and supporting folks in both parties who want to do the tough deals necessary to get this ball down the field. coburn and durbin were able to agree on raising the retirement age to 69 by 2075. that is not such a frightening concept except for folks in the unions who resist any entitlement reform to socia...

Be cut by definition. >> i think special ones shou should -- >> now you want them for carmakers. >> i believe that -- >> i'll take that -- >> the most vulnerable should not -- the deficit should not be balanced on the backs of the poor low-income -- >> high-speed -- >> i know a lot of guys like you fixated on -- >> let's move to social security for a second, which is a contentious issue. i think we can raise the retirement age by 2050, by 2075. >> by 2012. are you kidding? >> i would lift -- >> 20 -- >> the social security payroll cap should be lifted. we are sitting here. we are privileged pe...

Are periphery, i think basically eliminate them. more important than all of that is entitlements, until we tackle entitlements, just playing around the edges. >> and i want to place back a little bit on this ideal that there's not tough cuts there are over 200 cuts to programs to be cut or eliminated here, there are some tough cuts going on here but you cannot cut away and gut our recovery in order to get the deficit down because it becomes counterproductive. >> right, which is a point that the short-term cuts don't actually do a lot to deal with the long-term deficit and debt, which is why yo...

Off in 2075 but you stand by that and would support all of that. >> there are some parts that i, of course, would change, i don't agree with every paragraph. i was around in 1983 when social security was facing bankruptcy. on a bipartisan basis we bought so many years almost 50 years in longevity in social security because we finally said for goodness sakes this isn't about selling bikes, it is about social security, get it right and we did. we can do it again. the deficit commission, chris, you referred to one aspect of it. raising the retirement age by one year from 67 to 68 over a 40 year p...

Democrats propose to get serious about the deficit? >> dust off the deficit commission report, the president's deficit commission. look at some of the things we address there. first, $3 in spending cuts for every dollar in new revenue. so, it was serious when it came to cutting spending. you must do that. secondly, when it came to revenue, look at the tax code. chris, in all the time i have been in washington, we have never put the tax code on the table and said, does it still make sense, all the deduction and credits and all the tax earmarks, does it make sense, that cost us $1.1 trillion, ea...