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After the manafort indictment was handed down. timing is actually pretty significant and in addition, we have someone who ties the manafort ukrainian steer to the campaign itself, right in the white house has been saying listen, this is all information, has nothing to do with the campaign. we have these conversations he lied about taking place in september of 2016. that's also significant. >> back to this question, did they pay people in the trump campaign to change the republican platform on ukraine? >> that's certainly not set forth anywhere in this. >> anyway, manafort could be a key witnes...

President in 2012. he said that repeatedly. you almost want to believe him. but what about the role that he would play in deciding who's going to be the gop nominee and supporting that? >> right, well, he said again today invoking that he's said that you know, he's done everything except commit suicide to tell that you he's not going to run in 2012. you know, used that phrase again today. 207816 is more where people are looking that he could possibly run. he's only been governor of new jersey for just about a year now. so you know, it might it be premature. he said he sees the opportunity but ...