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People would be planning to utilize them given the publicity about the problems they have. >> that number and that discussion, even more than anything else we have been talking about, the creditability and the functioning of the website, that is a problem. >> that, and jeff saying maybe november 30th, the website is not going to be up and running. >> the ultimate irony is a number of people trying to access the marketplace. these exchanges are people who had insurance and were dumped, not the uninsured. it's the opposite of what obama care intended. >> i want to end with this e-mail from bill ...