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And the first thing is that who would have imagined the federal government who had support from a state that passed a statute that was designed to match up exactly with federal law so they could support federal law, who would have imagined that later on the supreme court would find parts of that unconstitutional? i don't agree with their decision, but joe arpaio couldn't have known that when he put his program in place. joe arpaio was living underneath the 287-g or with the 287-g program which is federal authorization to enforce immigration law and there is no federal law against profiling. >>...

Good to see you, as always, congressman. justify the pardon. what is your case? >> well, i watched this unfold, chris, from my seat on the judiciary committee in the house of representatives. we had democrats in majority and we had president obama elected. and i saw that justice department react to what i thought was a political statements of the democrats on the judiciary committee and start to put the squeeze on joe arpaio because they didn't want enforcement of our immigration laws down in maricopa county. i made a trip down there to visit sheriff joe. i wanted to see what was going on. i t...

Laura coat, is that he is not following the rule of law. i is shou he should have waited until he was sentenced. that he should have served that and then a pardon. >> caller: i think that's a significant, i'll say liberally interpreted. there may be a tradition out there to wait until theson tense would be delivered, but i don't think there is for anybody to serve their sentence. i saw this coming as a political persecution. i now judge arpaio. i've gone down and looked at the operation. he was functioning within the law and had a 287-g program that authorized him to enforce immigration law an...

Mccain and jeff flake have criticized this pardon, and presumably, they know this sheriff and the situation in their state best. what's your reaction? it's their state and they know him. >> caller: i would probably think i've spent more time with joe arpaio than either of them. but think have been essentially for open borders. think don they don't want to secure the border. they have abeen for amnesty all their political life. so you often see people take a position that's consistent for what they hope gets accomplished with regard to their policies that they favor, rather than an objective lo...

Government to enforce this law. i have the authority to do so. he believed in that. and i believe in it, actually, and i think that the decision of the supreme court on sb-1070 was erroneous, and, but that doesn't mean we don't respect it and honor it, but the 287-g program was pulled so they could persecute him for profiling. that was their intent. i heard it many times before they followed through. this has been a long grist mill that he's been dragged through. i'm glad the president has pardoned him and given mr. arpaio and his wife some relief. now he is says his political career isn't fin...