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>> what role should the european union play in the matter, sir? >> what was that? >> what role do you think the european union should play -- >> it's up to them. i don't want to get involved with that. jean-claude and i had a fantastic meeting last week. we're having a hard time and i mentioned tariffs on cars. we got along very well. very well. they're going to treat us fairly. we're going to treat them fairly. it's been a one-way street. the european union has taken advantage of the united states. we can't let it happen. it's not fair to the united states. by the way, italy has a $31 billion...

>> reporter: what role should the european union play in the matter, sir, and the -- >> what? >> reporter: what role do you think the european union should play in the reignition of -- >> that's up to them. i don't want to get involved in that. jean-claude and i had a fantastic meeting last week. we were having a hard time. i mentioned tariffs on cars. we got along very well. very well. i think they are going to treat us very fairly and we are going to treat them fairly. as you know, it's been a one-way street. the european union has totally taken advantage. united states. we can't let that ha...

You're doing with respect to migration and illegal immigration and even legal immigration. italy has taken a very firm stance on the border. a stance that few countries have taken and you're doing the right thing in my opinion. and a lot of other countries in europe should be doing it also. some have taken that stance a long time ago and they're doing a lot better. i want to thank you for being with us. it's an honor. we have a lot to talk about having to do with trade. our military. you're ordering planes. lots of planes. the united states has a very large deficit, as usual, with italy. about...

Talking about our allies in such a way. >> and trying to bring it back to defense and how in the wake of the two world wars and the cold war, this was a crucial alliance. and trump turning it into a discussion about economics, the relationship between germany and russia. let's bring in david rohde. >> is the president suggesting that none of our allies should be doing business with russia? >> i'm confused. the united states does $31 billion in trade a year with russia. exxon invests in russia. mcdonald's invests in russia. ford has four plants in russia. what's wrong with germany trading with ...

As the issue. first of all he has characterized this interesting. idea germany buys gas from russia means they're captive to russia. an interesting point to make. we buy a lot of ours from canada. but i get his point. what's the big deal about this pipeline? >> 40% of their -- 40% of their natural gas from the east. this would increase. 35% of their oil imports, raw oil from russia. but when you look at the overall trade portfolio between the two countries, russia needs germany much more than germany needs russia. the trade imbalances -- excuse me in russia's favor about 31 billion. mostly in ...