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To ukraine. and so they are not going to have to pay the price, but the kids of all the folks watching this tonight, they are going to pay the price. so i think fundamentally there is a disconnect between the people who pay with their blood and treasure the people who are making the decisions to send us off to war. >> tucker: i don't understand how you can simultaneously argue that putin is nuclear armed, crazy, bloodthirsty, demented, on predicable, ruthless, and then at the same time poke him in the face with a stick and hope for the best. i mean, which of these is true? >> it's a lot of chu...

And what he wants is just help to get what he needs to defeat vladimir putin. and i know president biden also said to me that we're know focused on getting him those needs, that's why we have the 33-gave the request for $33 billion for military aid, for humanitarian aid and economic aid to ukraine and we know that because we've seen over the last two months the ukrainian people fighting for sovereignty and fighting to make sure that we stop putin and don, what is happening right now because of the positioning of putin's people particularly in the back sea when we know that the ukraine 50% of s...

For "longer-range artillery of a heavier caliber." in other words, we are sending artillery to ukraine that could easily strike russian territory we are sending $33 billion to do it. how much is 33 billion? in a moment when congress is writing checks for trillions. to put into context, $33 billion is more than double what the by demonstration spends protecting our national borders, and that's just one check to ukraine. but it's double the annual budget to protect our borders. the by demonstration just requested 15 billion for the entire budget for u.s. customs and border protection. and just 8...

Cnn of course but were you nervous about being there? were you in fear of their safety and security there? >> we know there is a risk. we know we were in a war zone when you're driving around in kyiv, you would see you're in the war zone but you can also see the individuals, the ukrainians would prepare to defend themselves and in fact, the russians couldn't succeed to take over kyiv. and so now that's one of the things we talked about, that there is a war that is going to a different stage and different types of weapons that they need and that's part of what this $33 billion is so that as it ...

Of the scale of the operation still to come. talks are under way but i'm told those negotiations are delicate, tense and complicated. meanwhile — in kyiv — nancy pelosi, the speaker of the us house of representatives, has made ukraine's president volodymyr zelenskyy. she said the united states would stand with ukraine until the "fight is done" and said congress would move quickly to deliver $33 billion worth of aid proposed by president biden. ben brown reports. nany pelosi is the latest high profile international political figure to come to kyiv and offer president zelenskyy moral support...