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Immigrants. in addition, the city of san francisco has filed a federal lawsuit against president trump himself, saying he has no right to withhold federal funding from saint shorey cities. now in los angeles, dr. john eastman, the. let's take the sanctuary state first. can a state just declare itself an entity that is not going to obey federal law? >> the thing, the officials can be commandeered by the federal government. but we are talking about what they can be required to do an exchange for getting a lot of money from the federal government. $330 billion a year, california and all the citie...

But they can lose, then, $330 billion a year. right? save a lot of money. >> it is. i think the trump administration would absolutely do that, even though that would cause mass chaos. >> even more interesting. another federal law that says that they are required to do that. that any recipient of a grant that continually flouts federal law, they have to do it. they have to give additional opportunity to come into compliance with the federal law but at some point, they have to say, if you are refusing to cut federal law, you are not eligible for these grants. >> bill: here's what i don't underst...

Over 330 billion miles. and were i to stop oil production, we'd have to import it from iraq and from caracas, venezuela or from north dakota where the environmental standards are much lower, on trains that have already proven themselves unsafe, or by more ships that are causing significant pollution in the world. it's just really dumb. what we have is an integrated plan, step by step, to reduce our carbon foot print. no other state or country in the western hemisphere comes even close to what california is doing. so i understand we have tro keep a significant amount of fossil fuel in the groun...

Regulatory perspective on natural gas. fracking in the state of california and on oil. what's your response to them? >> nothing can be sillier. and the same critics were completely absent when the oil companies were able to knock out a provision that i supported to reduce oil consumption in california by 50%. 50% in the next 15 years. they didn't even bother to show up. yes, california is the third largest oil producer. more importantly, california burns more oil, consumes more oil than any state or collection of states in america. we burn 18 billion -- "b," as in billion -- gallons of gasolin...

Temporarily stop it? >> no. not at all. first of all fracking in california has been going on for 50 years. it uses a fraction of fracking on the east coast for gas particularly. this is vertical fracking for the most part. it is different. california imports 70% of our petroleum products. our cars drive over 330 billion miles mostly on petroleum. if we reduce our oil drilling in california by a few percent which fracking would do we would import more oil by train or boat. that doesn't make a lot of sense. what we need to do is move to electric cars, more efficient buildings and more renewable...