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There for china and india to do something different when we're setting that model? >> the solution to global warming is just that, global. but america can't do it alone. conversely, and this is important, the world absolutely cannot do it without us. with me now is a person who keeps a global focus on climate change, bill mckibbon. his book "the end of nature" brought global warming to the forefront. today he keeps that center front andner through 350.org. according to the "boston globe," he's our most important environmentalist. bill, great to have you here. >> good to be with you, as always,...

Superpower, and the place in per capita terms is still the biggest contributor of carbon to the atmosphere, and in historical terms, which everybody knows about, that stuff lasts up there in the atmosphere a hundred years. most of the plurality of the carbon in the atmosphere was made in the usa. so we do need -- this is one of the places we need to start. we need a serious price on carbon. we will not get that price on carbon until we've beaten the power of the fossil fuel industry. sooner or later, the world will figure out it has to regulate carbon. that this is the most dangerous thing now...

Per million of carbon in the atmosphere. your organization is called 350.org and that 350 stands for 350 parts per million, which scientists say is a safe level of carbon in the atmosphere. so the question is we're already past it by 50 parts per million. what do you see as the solution to bring the carbon level down to your organization's name? >> oh, there's no solution other than stopping burning coal and gas and oil and doing it fast. we're past the point where we're going to stop global warming. i mean we already melted the arctic, okay. so if we do everything right at this point, it will...

The big group that is leading the environmental opposition to keystone, there's a group called 350.org and they're working with groups like the sierra club. they're working as hard as they can to raise awareness of this. their plan for this spring, they had a big rally here in washington in february, and then the plan for the spring is to hold rallies around the country and keep getting people arrested. their goal is to hold rallies, raise awareness, get people arrested, hold the president's feet to the fire on this. so their hope is that the more that they raise awareness of this as a group a...

Best thing about the earth is you can poke holes in it and oil and gas will come out. if that's the direction the republican caucus is moving, if you have democrats here voting for this resolution, how do the politics on this shift, on keystone particularly? >> i think they shift, and they have shifted, by the way, when people watch their television and see what happened in new jersey and new york. when they hear scientists saying you're going to see this every year and it's going to be even worse. and people understand that. and when people see droughts in the southwest, and when they see flo...