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Sebelius announced they're not going to be releasing so many facts and figures about how many people sign up, they're not even going to be telling you information that's kind of essential. i mean, if it were a private company, it would be essential, about the ages of the people who are signing up, for instance. >> that's right. the ages or even just going back to the first question you mentioned, the question of how many people have signed up. it's clearly an inflated figure. so they say something like 364,000 people have signed up, another 800,000 are eligible under the expansion of medicaid....

Absurd rhetoric. obviously this that case, you pay a premium. you buy health insurance. the question is what do you get for it. obviously we all pay for the health insurance. but the point is that preventive care is not charged for. and we're encouraging peel to go to a doctor and not have any additional cost for a wellness visit. there's no charge. that's the point. she was saying it and he doesn't like to hear it because he's living in mars or some other planet and doesn't understand that this is a good bill that's providing good benefits for an affordable price. >> now cynthia, the new numb...

Kathleen sebelius in her opening statement. now we are in the question period of this. let's drop in and see where we are. >> approximately 364,000 americans have selected a plan through a state or federal exchange, is that correct? >> yes, sir. >> of these 364,000 americans, do you know how many of those individuals will actually have coverage in effect on january 1, 2014? >> once they pay their premium they will be coverage in effect. >> so you don't know? these are the ones who just selected a plan but haven't paid their first payment. >> some may have paid, some may not. we are giving you ...

Is making progress. the administration said more than doubled the enrollment in november and the first two months of open enrollment. you have 364,000 americans enrolled in exchanges and 137,000 people signed up on the federal exchange. more than 227,000 have signed up on the 15 state-unexchanges. can the white house improve those numbers in the months ahead? we will have a lot more later in the show. it is being described as modest and a good first step. how do both sides avoid making significant compromises? i am joined by bill nelson who is a number of the budget conference committee. senat...

Our concern is this 364,000 number is fraudulent because it's not those who have purchased plans yet. i would ask that when you return that you give us actually who has purchased plans. do you understand our frustration with that? >> sir, as you well know, we did not take over the private insurance market. people will purchase -- >> but you are telling -- >> from insurance companies. >> but you're telling us those who have shopped are enrolled. >> i have told you, sir, who is enrolled and who -- >> that's why we're frustrated because we don't get the truth. >> this is medicare. >> let me go to...