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Per child. that helps out a lot of families that are struggling. that is a good thing devoting tax relief to the individual side. what i'm pressing to do in addition to that is lower rates. lowter marginal rates so taxpayers are facing less of an individual liability -- >> neil: beyond the rates that you have now in the senate plan? even the top rate goes down i think about a point to 38.5%. you're talking about beyond that? >> i'm talking about beyond that. the reverse trigger if we see greater growth would do that, would lower those individual rates. i'll mention the reason why we have gotte...

Corporations for instance, they come down to 20 percent rate, the pass-through, they get a deduction, then by the time they pay surcharges, it's more like 35. so he wants better treatment for them and the question now is how can we do that and some of the ideas out there equalizing the treatment would in fact be good. >> kate? >> you can lower the tax rate to 35 percent from 38.5 in the senate bill which would make the deduction more valuable against a lower rate. that would be one way to solve it. i think ron johnson eric is a little thin because corporations are double taxed on dividends as ...

Pass-throughs, they get a deduction, and by the time they pay surcharges, it's more like 35. 7 wants -- he wants better treatment for them. some of the ideas for equalizing would, in fact, be good. >> you can lower to 35% from 38.5%, which would make the deduction more valuable against a he willer -- a lower rate. i think that ron johnson's case is a little thin because corporations are double taxed on dividends and well and much more disadvantag disadvantages. we see c corps wanting to become the pass-throughs. i don't think that you kill a bill over this. i think they will come to accommodat...

Able to utter the words republicans raise my taxes. >> martha: robert shapiro, what you think about the bill as it looks now? >> the fact is this is a $5.8 trillion in tax cuts and $4.3 trillion in tax increases. when you are dealing with numbers like that you have a lot of winners and you have a lot of losers. and that's what the joint tax committee has said, that's what the tax policy center has said. that's with the institute for taxation and economic policy have said. they all agree that it looks like depending on the year between 20 and 25% of taxpayers will see a tax increase. those at t...

A new york times article that the senate tax bill revealed this week would increase taxes on millions of middle class families while benefiting high income households. yeah, some people are going to see their taxes go up at all income levels but it's not until david the very last paragraph of that long article that the times notes the senate plan would realize, get this, $30 billion in lower taxes next year, and that the majority of families will see a $1300 savings in 2018 got it? okay? so this is how the senate republicans bill is different than the house version of tax reform. let's start w...