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I really think that if you look at north korean tactics going back to the korean war itself, which is officially of course the president points out has never really ended, two years beginning in the summer of -- i think it was july of '51, they talked in panmunjom on the 38th parallel for two years. so his idea of a lickety-split, you know, apprentice-type reality hour, it doesn't square with the time thinking they have over the time reference they make over in north korea. they could be tricking him into that chair and letting him sit there for months and years even. so that's what i'm afraid...

May be willing to trade the nuclear arsenal to enhance the economy. the same people, many families are divided by the 38th parallel. the same work ethic is in the north as the south but they need proper leadership. heather: obviously we learned the lesson with iran, we are not going to put a lot of money up front. >> the opportunity is what you really have is a country that needs massive infrastructure development. what the united states can do is say you came to power wanting two things, nukes and a strong economy. take the nukes off, trade that away. it will help with your strong economy. yo...

Any more. >> that yearning for peace shared by quan ming-ju and her boyfriend. they drive three hours from seoul to surf here. one day they hope they can keep driving through the dmz. >> i think the area is a good place for surfing. >> in north korea? >> maybe we can go there and surf one day. >> i don't think we'll be 'niquing through any fences. if it's possible, i'd love to check it out. surfers stoked for the day when peace may come to these shores. ivan watson, cnn at the 38th parallel beach in south korea. >> endless summer in korea, who

Have tremendous support from the south korea and the united states has a very big military presence, about 29,000 troops, so logistically it works for both and also optically it works. this now -- dmz and divided line, 38th parallel, i think it works. >> do you think, depending on how all of this plays out, and whatever success means, success according to the president is denuclearization of north korea, president moon has said that president trump deserves the nobel peace prize. joe, would you agree? >> well, i think denuclearization immediately is certainly not in the cards, nor even denucle...

Cuba. but i don't think we've really had to make a commitment like that to north korea. the fear has always been that they would cross the 38th parallel. not that the south would cross it or that we do would do it. it seems like an odd request from whoever has talked about us invading north korea all these years? >> that has been their fear. that's why he said he needed the nuclear deterrent. one concern that he is offering fake concessions to that test site in the north was collapsing as it was that was no longer useful. he may have already achieved his deterrent. certainly had six major nucl...