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University to succeed. >> michael, are you for the unionizing of college football players? >> absolutely. i think it's important, for years the ncaa has had a monopoly on the ability for amateur athletes to earn a spot, so to speak in the note right for what they do. when we played, we calculated the prevailing wage or othe minimum wage at that time was 1.60 an hour. yeah, 1.60 an hour. we calculated that we earned between 1.30 and a $1.40 an hour for all the hours we put in. it's a very dangerous sport it brings in a lot of revenue and notoriety for the universities. and the athletes need to ...

Surplus last. what happened, they cut taxes him we did a halfway reversed the tax increase only on the wealthy primarily. it's helped. we also singled out increased spending through things like if medicare affordable caring a defense spending since 9-11 and homeland security. we have to get rid of that spending and go back to the balanced budget. you increase spending, cut tax revenue, we got to do the exact opposite and tickets it. that's the only way. >> okay. john, what do you think of that? >> i disagree, jonas, you are judging by the fact these are rational people that box in d.c. they're...

Wage isn't worth what it was in 1968. and they get -- that cost us $7 billion in just food stamps alone, because those people don't have enough money to stay out of poverty. they're against increasing the minimum wage, and they're against these people having enough money for food and their family. they know the fact that most of the studies show that most -- so many people on food stamps run out of food. the third week of the month. that when they have the money for food, et cetera $1.40 per person, per meal. they know how difficult it is for them to have the necessity. but that's not their po...

Bill, some of whom are benefiting personally to the tune of millions of dollars going to their family's pockets, all of a sudden, when it comes to the $1.40 or $1.50 per meal are outraged that our government would spend money feeding our neighbors. second, we need to know, this is about working families. 80% of the able-bodied adults on the s.n.a.p. program were working the year before or the year after, getting this help, and most households with a working adult are still on the program because they can't get higher wages. s so i challenge the other side, if you're against the spending, join ...

$1.50 a meal. and with these cuts, it will be $1.40 a meal. you can't even buy a starbucks with that. >> and it's 21 meals a month. >> i want to point out your point about corporate welfare. the fact is, even food stamps that are feeding people are still a form of corporate welfare. walmart gets 18% of food stamp spending. so they pay an insufficient wage, then their folks get food stamps, and then they go and spend them at walmart. and when asked about the fact that this bill was going to cut, they said, well, no problems. walmart actually hopes the change will help it to gain market share, b...