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Problem. >> >> it generally it, maybe because the public has become numb to it. look at this, it's the amount of lies trump has told from 2017 up until sunday. you see the two spikes. the biggest lies happen within the last two weeks. does a sheer number of lies increase the risk of becoming numb to all of this? >> i think it does. the first time he doubles the actual trade deficit, the first time he makes a widely inaccurate claim about voter fraud. people might be outraged, the media might be inclined to point it out. once he get to the 5th, 10th, or 45th time, people get sick of talking abo...

It out. once he get to the 5th, 10th, or 45th time, people get sick of talking about it. it's stressful, exhausting. i think our immunity to it, it's sort of worn down by his relent elseness. my call to the people in the media is to not let him win with the relentlessness of his mind. we have to keep featuring it as such. >> well, the question is, mike and i want you to answer after the break is, because he's -- liar right. is it he does it because he can, or maybe he's not aware he lies so much? i don't know, you know him better than i do. we'll answer that went we come back.