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Be able to cover -- this bill's not going to pay for itself. everybody knows that. >> not going to pay for itself. everybody knows that. similar criticism about the massive increase to the deficit this bill could create. joined by art laffer, chairman of laffer associates, friend of mine. and, art, you're welcome to bring up the laffer curve in this. i want to ask you about something interesting. i want to show you a few estimates. there are many about what the tax bill will do. increase the deficit by $1.5 trillion. the tax foundation says that's the most conservative, or the -- the lowest es...

You realized you had something right, you realized there were unforeseen consequences nobody knew about. we've had no experts come through, and we're rushing this through to get a win on the board. there's no sense getting a win on the board if it's actually a loss. >> but if it passes through the senate do you think it will be with the elimination of the s.a.l.t. deduction in place? >> i think in the senate they will allow property tax deduction up to $10,000, take away the income tax reduction and for districts like mine in high tax areas, one of the reasons is every year new york loses $48 ...

People to say you know what? i've got to cut taxes on a state level because they're sky high and hide behind the federal government. >> yeah, but it's not exactly like that. i agree that murphy coming to new jersey that would have been guilty of excess there and we've gone through eight years of chris christie where he did try to put some controls on spending the fact is theres always going to be higher taxation in states like new york and new jersey because of the fact that we get short changed on federal revenues. we've gone over this before, but new york gets $48 billion less from the feder...

So just go to fair and simple.gov, and i'm sure nancy pelosi is trying to do everything she can to derail tax reform and tax cuts. it's a promise we made in the campaign. it's a promise president trump made in the campaign, and it's a promise we're delivering today. brian: speaker ryan, no one doubts how you are with this when we saw you on simpson and all those experienced senators and experts who said who's this young guy from wisconsin? he knows his stuff backwards and forwards. everybody knows how well you know the budget. so how about this? someone you really respect, peter king from one ...

Mulvaney, talking to new york reporters and basically saying it's new york's problem, it's new york's own fault, that is not a good way to be a spokesman for the administration. that hurts all republicans were running for office, it makes it sound like the administration is anti-new york. my district is a democratic district, president trump carried it. it's going to be hard to keep caring district like that if they think the administration is giving up on new york. that's part of why that's what i said. as far as the other argument, the fact is, he said of all things are equal -- all things a...