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That there's going to be $487 billion of savings out of defense over the next ten years, which the president's budget just called for if there was no budget plan, no budget outline, no road map for savings? we do know that there's going to have to be that amount of savings because of the budget control act. so our friends have convenient amnesia. it's good talking points. but the fact is we have a budget in place for this year and next. we have ten years of spending caps, and a special committee was given the opportunity to deal with entitlements and revenue without a threat of filibuster. unf...

You weren't going to save anyway instead of cutting real programs? >> chris, i don't agree with that. i think that the policy to get out of iraq, to reduce and eliminate our military presence there was very real. i think that if we don't lower the caps that permit that spending there will be a natural process of seeing military spending grow. we have $487 billion of savings in the defense department over -- in the security area over the ten year period. closing down this backdoor is part of making sure we get those savings. it is very real. i guarantee you that if we don't take the action that...

Percentage of gdp. the gougette counts as savings hundreds of billions of dollars from ending the wars in iraq and afghanistan. republicans say that is money that we wouldn't have cement any way. white house chief of staff jack lu who was the budget director when the spending plan was put together disagrees. >> we have $487 billion of savings in the defense department, in the security area over this ten-year period. closing down this back door is part of making sure we get those savings. it's very real. i guarantee you that if we don't take the action that's been proposed there will be leakage...

You weren't going to save anyway instead of cutting real programs? >> chris, i don't agree with that. i think that the policy to get out of iraq, to reduce and eliminate our military presence there was very real. i think that if we don't lower the caps that permit that spending there will be a natural process of seeing military spending grow. we have $487 billion of savings in the defense department over -- in the security area over the ten year period. closing down this backdoor is part of making sure we get those savings. it is very real. i guarantee you that if we don't take the action that...

Claim savings from money that you weren't going to save anyway instead of cutting real programs? >> chris, i don't agree with that. i think that the policy to get out of iraq, to reduce and eliminate our military presence there was very real. i think that if we don't lower the caps that permit that spending there will be a natural process of seeing military spending grow. we have $487 billion of savings in the defense department over -- in the security area over the ten year period. closing down this backdoor is part of making sure we get those savings. it is very real. i guarantee you that if...