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This. everybody has a va hospital. right? most people know someone who's a veteran who has had to go through this system. >> i was really moved watching those interviews and other interviews by the pain that people suffered because somebody couldn't get in their dad, their -- another family couldn't get into the hospital. and yet look at the irs scandal. most people don't have 501c3s they have to worry about being audited or not getting preferential tax treatment, but everybody can relate to the va. >> well, look. with the irs, a lot of our discussion turns into a soap opera in which the presi...

This. everybody has a va hospital. right? most people know someone who's a veteran who has had to go through this system. >> i was really moved watching those interviews and other interviews by the pain that people suffered because somebody couldn't get in their dad, their -- another family couldn't get into the hospital. and yet look at the irs scandal. most people don't have 501c3s they have to worry about being audited or not getting preferential tax treatment, but everybody can relate to the va. >> well, look. with the irs, a lot of our discussion turns into a soap opera in which the presi...

New organization filing for the first time for the 501c3. >> rick, we saw the i.r.s. inspector general go through all this and he said there was targeting. 100% of the tea party groups were targeted. >> talking about one group. >> how many liberal groups were targeted? >> 25%. >> in hollywood? >> in hollywood, very few liberal groups in hollywood are 501c3s. if you look at this, the biggest liberal groups in hollywood are non-profits that never asked for the tax break. this group did. by the way, you know, the whole thing about hollywood having a great prejudice against conservatives, look at ...

Worth of foundation. just to give you an idea. one left wing foundation, bill and melinda gates foundation is three times as large as all -- >> that is charitable. >> well, itsee charitable. they are all technically charitable. but there is what i call the shadow political universe. all the debates, whether over the borders or the national security or the environment. nationalized healthcare. all of these take place, the arguers on either side of these are 501c3s. tax exempt. what they are doing is political. it sets the political agenda. it transformed debate for example on immigration from w...

Rights to -- should we call people here illegally -- illegally -- undocumented. >> sean: people have to read the whole book. there is too much information. i want to cut to the chase. this is important piece of work you put out and women researched. you talk about george soros in the book and the seed money he gave to john podesta's group, center for american politics. >> the brain trust of the democratic -- >> sean: which is the brain trust. you talk about media matters in here. a lot of the groups are supposed to be 501c3s. walk us through the political debate and how it's propaganda arm of ...