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we're also fixing what's called -- this has been the bane of driving me crazy when i was out of office -- the public service loan forgiveness program. this program forgives student loans to encourage those students who had those loans if they go into public service. think of the millions who are. public school teachers, local police officers, workers at local charities, members of the military and the national guard, and so many more. think of the folks who work for federal, state, local, governments keeping essential services going, responding to natural disasters, firefighters and ...

We see that this has created a new precedent. if he has the power to cancel some, he should be able to cancel all of it. so we don't want to leave out other naerns are just now getting to that 125 mark and trying to help out their families or people who make 125 k and have four kids, so that doesn't really -- this blanket solution to this complicated issue just is not far enough. >> you talk about a blanket solution and reference the racial wealth gap. federal student loan borrowers seem to be from marginalized groups. it sounds like what you're saying more attention needs to be paid to the nu...