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Even though legislators seem to think the way to reform our political activity around the country is to pass the laws to limit contributions. we know that doesn't work. at the end of the day, money is going to be involved in politics. people have a right under the first amendment to be involved in politics. i think they should. my overall view is that super packs, 527s, party committee candidates, it's fair game, but i think it's illustrative of the fact that you can't try to limit the first amendment by passing these laws because it's not going stop money from getting into politics. >> greta:...

Know, inferences that he's trying to play on. >> those are dog whistle words we're hearing. you handled it just fine before you introduced us so i don't need to repeat what you said but anyone who knows president obama's story knows that the words "privileged" and "he never really had to work hard" just don't match the man. they don't match his story. they don't match his reality. you know, we're all aghast as what is being said now, that a word like "lazy" is being pulled out of context and thrown into an ad. it is going to get a whole lot uglier once there is a defined nominee and the indepe...

Was different than maybe what the rest of the party wanted to do and that might explain why people were criticizing you, what's the style of the republican party that your style was so incompatible with? how did they want to -- >> well, the style of the party before was just let's put out a press release, let's just say something, anything, but let's not back it up by actually connecting with people. we built a coalitions department that actually was grassroots oriented. we are a grassroots party. we always have been. that's been the strength of the gop. what we recognize in this new financial...

That's been the strength of the gop. what we recognize in this new financial environment, for example, with the advent of 527s, mccain-feingold pressures on party committees, was we had to raise money differently. yeah, we had major donors who left, but they had relationships with the bush era, with karl rove and all those guys. they followed them to their 527s. god bless you. go have fun. be fruitful and multiply. i love that. i love being able to compete one on one with democrats, not just at the committee level but beyond that at the 527 level. >> but isn't there a disadvantage to republica...

They are funding attack ads, they are giving a hundred,000 or a million dollars to efforts to attack democrats to attack obama. so they are much more willing to cough up cash if they know nobody is going to know they are the ones funding the efforts. >> pat, what is your take on that? >> well, jim, is this a result of that supreme court decision which really -- or is it the old rule the 527s are given to? i mean, this is the swift vote stuff was done this way, wasn't it? >> yeah. different areas of the tax code. i don't want to get too technicals but 527s you can give money and do a lot of pol...