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Something the dems care very little about. you think of those who work for the federal government, the defense department has 562,000 workers who would be furloughed if this were to happen. obviously, that doesn't count active duty military. what's the real effect likely to be? what's this white house said about who would be furloughed in the event of this happening? >> that's the big question. when you hear that members of house staff and senate staff are getting formal notices that, as of midnight, they could be furloughed, that raises a couple red flags on capitol hill. and so it's unclear ...

Now some pickings from the political grapevine. the government kept spending money on items you might not consider so essential. the state department awarded the $5 million contract for crystal stem and bar ware. they told foreignpolicy.com said the times was not unusual. they are demanding the va explain its purchase of $562,000 in artwork at the end of fiscal year 2013. the va told us the art does not have anything to do with the end of the spending year and is part of a larger plan to improve the veteran experience. monday a week into the shutdown,

Everybody loves syrup on pancakes and waffles. >> very important. those are the types of back home pork projects that are being shoved in there. something else is happening, which is that it's the end of the month. it's also the end of that budgetary process. that means that all of these agencies are trying at the end of the month to buy things, going on a bit of a spending spree. >> use it or lose it. >> next year's budget when it comes up, they'll say, hey, we notice you didn't use your full budget. you probably don't need as much many. >> veterans affairs department, $562,000 for artwork. >...

Force level of 562,000. the active marine corps who go to 182,000. down from 202,000. that transition will take place over the five years. we won't reach those numbers until 2017. >> dana: given the audio and visual quality of that, you might have thought in the 1990s or the clinton administration. but it wasn't. that was today. two days after a "state of the union" address in which the military was praised ad nauseam. >> greg: obama used military as a metaphor for greatness. everybody in america should act like an army and get behind president obama. then he fires 80,000 of them. i think he o...

Made it announced through the secretary of defense, leon panetta, about the upcoming cuts in our military. take a listen. >> in this budget, we plan to gradually resize the active army. the 490,000. that is down from present force level of 562,000. the active marine corps who go to 182,000. down from 202,000. that transition will take place over the five years. we won't reach those numbers until 2017. >> dana: given the audio and visual quality of that, you might have thought in the 1990s or the clinton administration. but it wasn't. that was today. two days after a "state of the union" addres...