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Premiums jumping 20% by 2019, but decreasing in the years after that. joining me now is joe manchin democrat of west virginia. thank you for joining us here. >> thanks for having me. >> the cbo score of the new health care report is out. we'll put it up to these numbers, look at those numbers, what's your reaction to this? >> basically they're saying we're going to have a savings of $300 p.m. over 10 years, let me tell you what's not great and what's morally wrong. they're going do have a $575 billion tax cut to the wealthiest americans and insurance companies, that's not rig right. on top of ...

Well, in the middle of all this focus on health care, a conservative group of doctors is now firing back against the people who first, quote, threw granny off a cliff. in the now-notorious left-wing ad, we see a man depicted as paul ryan pushing an elderly woman in a wheelchair off the cliff. the ad suggesting that ryan's solution for dealing with out of control medicare spending would put seniors at risk. well, in the new ad by american doctors for truth, we see the granny's face. but this time she is being pushed by an actor who is supposed to be the president of the united states. the same ...

Budget. >> you cut medicare $575 billion when you passed obama care. you made a choice to do that. >> and you made the choice to -- marcia, you put -- you made the -- marcia -- >> -- today's seniors and we're very serious in doing that, and continuing those benefits. >> you know what else you're serious about? you know what else you're serious about? did you -- did you or did you not put those same medicare reductions in your budget that you voted for under paul ryan this spring? didn't you do the same thing? >> no, we have said let's -- >> did you do the same thing? >> we said let's save medi...