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19 states would refuse medicaid. >> in terms of how many people are on the exchanges, they have it backwards on that they were wrong there. wrong on how many people were going to buy it, they thought the mandate was going to force everybody into the effort, getting rid of the effort, they think will make everyone get out of it. they're wrong in both directions. the most important thing, they're raiding 1/3 of the republican plan, this is the reconciliation package, it's a piece of the puzzle. there are 1400 decisions as you know, that secretary price makes, all of which can help reform this, a...

Desperately need health insurance. >> when you say the cbo's numbers were off. how do you respond to that. >> i don't understand -- >> by a lot. >> wait a minute, can i say what i don't understand? the original cbo estimates of obama care was off because there were changes that had to be made in obama care, and a lot of states did not express. did not decide to expand medicaid coverage obviously there's going to be a change in terms of what the estimate is going to be. that doesn't mean that right now we can disregard the cbo's estimate, this is serious stuff. there is no other highly regarded...

>> of course it's a punch in the gut to republicans, because 24 million people are predicted to lose their -- >> you said it's a punch in the gut, not the cbo. >> you can attack the cbo, the problem is, with attacking the cbo. the head was appointed by the republican congress, headed by a conservative republican economist who has expressed in the past real problems with obama care, you can't say this is biassed one way or the other the cbo is fan partisan, and if anything, the cbo is a republican run cbo. the fact that it comes out with an estimate saying the 24 million people are going to los...

Absolutely beautiful, nobody's going to lose coverage. what other source do we have of understanding the consequences of this, other than the nonpartisan, republican headed congressional budget office. >> what do you think, do you think republicans are willing to put the deficit over ensuring americans? >> you have it completely backwards. we have a system that was supposed to reduce the cost of health care for americans. the president ran on a promise that he would reduce it by $2500. and it went up, not down. this plan didn't work, it didn't do what it said it was going to do, it moved in th...

When the cbo told us how many people obama care would cover. today there would be 22 million changes. the cbo has not a good record on those predictions. what was big today and what your conversation so far has missed completely. is the cbo just scored this plan, the trump paul ryan obama care repeal and beginning of reform, they scored this as deficit -- as decreasing the deficit. and that means that it can be passed with 51 votes in the senate. the only thing the cbo score, in the whole thing, the only numbers that matter are 1.2 trillion in spending over a decade. that means, that this refo...