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president biden signalled he might be open to them, democrats in congress revolted. they aren't fair, and they don't work, dems argued. republicans say they are fair and that it is only responsible to have a baseline standard for who can receive government benefits like medicaid, that a requirement to work would motivate people to work. a hand up, not a hand out, says speaker kevin mccarthy. so how does a work requirement function in actuality? we've got one of my favorite policy wonks with us to explain because it is a tricky issue. one that could sink a deal, and in light of that, ...

>> work requirements are what they sound like. for various social programs there's requirements that able-bodied recipients make some kind of effort to find work or put in a certain number of hours or go through job training. the context matters a lot in which program we're talking about. the three areas republicans have talked about attaching work requirements to are medicare, s.n.a.p., commonly known as food stamps and temporarily assistance for needy families, tanf, what used to be referred to as welfare, in the debates of the '90s. biden has said medicaid is off the table. that's generally...

But that's over ten years. and the u.s. economy is enormous. the congressional budget office expects gdp to be $288 trillion in the next ten years, so spending 1.7 trillion, even if it was not paid for, and mostly is paid for, according to cbo estimates, that's just not an inflation spending. that's a trivial thing. ed fed said we're on guard. if necessary, we will raise interest rates to keep inflation slow. even people warning about inflation, people like harry summers have been saying this is not inflationary. that's not a reason not to invest in the future. >> he hides behind those boogie ...

Dealing with this. so austin, let me start with you. the cbo estimates if you extend the programs in the build back better bill, over the life of the bill, right, so the child tax credit doesn't go away in one year. it exists the next nin years. that the tef deficit goes up by $3 trillion. that is eight times more -- eight times more money that we currently don't have than is estimated under the democrats' analysis of the bill. so democrats are honest, austin. that's the thing. they are on the record, permanent, permanent, permanent. they are being honest about what they want. do you understan...

Income folks relative to s.a.l.t. justify keeping it in with that provision? >> well, so this is, i think, a really good point. i know there's negotiations happening right now to try to figure out how to find the sweet spot to make this work. my colleague, senator sanders and senator menendez are working on this. i've been in touch with senator sanders and feel optimistic we'll find a path forward. >> what about cbo estimates. this is a 367 billion deficit. so how do democrats get this over the hump? >> well, so on the pay force here we're talking about how we pay for this which we do pay for ...