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Help get off of those programs. >> tammy is joining us from cnn money right now. tammy, some are calling this the tanks and tax cuts. tell us about some of the bigger proposed cuts put forward by the trump administration. >> he is really taking an axe to a lot of social programs. they have a whole section about reforming the welfare system where they would cut $274 billion out of it. a lot of it would hit food stamps. it would hit disability. these are programs trump supporters rely on but the big cuts come from medicaid. $610 billion listed in the budget and that mayor may not be on top of cu...

Programs and getting food stamps and getting medicaid. it's about how many people we get out of the program. >> that's right, and put taxpayers first and grow the economy so it's about jobs, not about social safety net, that you don't need them. let me run down the numbers, because critics are calling this reverse robin hood, take from the poor to pay to the rich. mick mulvaney's calling it taxpayers first. this is about taxpayers and getting the taxpayer out of the business of picking winners and losers and social safety nets. what it means for sure here, tanks and tax cuts, bullets and billi...

Operations and maintenance. that has me most concerned. our troops are not going to be getting training they need to carry out their missions. i know they are not getting the training now than they did a year ago. in a few months it's cut back more drastically. people don't understand we cut half a billion out of defense. we are talk about additional half trillion. >> bret: what about the republicans out there, congressman, who say this is $85 billion in a $3.6 trillion budget and they'd like to see more cuts? >> i wish they would come thereon briefing and hear what we hear about china and nor...

Are we going to see these kind of cuts, the ones that were outlined in the sequester proposal? >> i think the odds are pretty high, to be honest. i don't think there's any appetite from republicans in congress to do any deal that has any tax revenue component just because they just signed off on a deal, the fiscal cliff deal that had $610 billion in tax revenue. they think it's time to go back to spending cuts. they really don't take into consideration the fact that we had the debt ceiling deal which was all cuts. that means they'll probably hold out for something that has cuts only. democrats...

Revenue. we don't have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem. how many secretaries have to say this debt is not sustainable? >> let me address that for one second. now, you know that non-defense discretionary spending is only $610 billion and the deficit is over $1.6 trillion, you cut it to zero, they cut all the programs, epa, department of education gone, zero, you still would have about a trillion dollars, so how do you balance this thing without going into defense offer raising taxes? >> i think most people on the tea party side would like to see across the board cuts and everythin...