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>> some said it could be going to develop sit reduction. >> i'm willing to consider that. we did $620 billion of that. >>g joining me now. alex we are looking for signs and i noticed that tom coburn shaved his beard. is that a breakthrough? >> that is what that means, the big game is now. i think it is a good sign, he has been more moveable than other folks on the key issues. the fact that he is saying that lindsey graham has suggested the same thing. paul ryan is sitting at home trying to figure out a way to balance the budget in ten years.

To consider that. we just did $620 billion of that. $620 billion, and what i would tell you is fixing the long-term, fixing the long-term entitlement problems that we have in this country, actually saving medicare, actually saving social security, will do a ton in terms of our long-term ability to grow and restoring confidence in this country. if you talk to any of the rating agencies, that's what they're waiting to see. they're not waiting to see taxes go up. they're waiting to see the real problems, the real cost drivers be fixed. >> senator come coburn, thank you so much. >> you bet. >> alw...

Relationship-building that will allow us to do that. >> did you talk specifics about getting to a budget deal? >> yeah, we talked a lot. their premise of where we are is totally bogus in terms of what's been accomplished so far. but putting that aside, the president was very honest about what the issues are and how you can go about solving them and what the political realities are on both sides and the resistance that's going to be there and what it's going to take. but you know, if you think about it, we've raised $620 billion worth of taxes, and the first real cuts, real cuts, not washington...

Sequester. in fact, he is taking the long view. because you have said that you believe that we need to close loopholes, because that is the president's position, because of the long view on the economy, why is it over the weeks and weeks and weeks leading up to today, not just a meeting tomorrow but leading up to today, hasn't there been a move to a long view that involves dealing with loopholes and preventing the sequester from going into place? >> i hope, melody, that we will get to a place where we are doing the big deal. we need to do entitlement reform and tax reform together but picking ...

And for them, if you've got a deficit it clearly means that the government doesn't tax enough, we don't have tax enough-- >> or you mean you spend too much, one or the other. >> we believe that the government spends too much. again, two very different views of what the problem is and what's contributed to it, but if you look at revenues and the congress militia budget office in their update two weeks ago said that revenues are coming back, in fact, they're going to exceed by almost a full percentage point the 40 year historical average for the next decade and yet, spending continues to spiral ...