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What president trump said and would mean substantial tax break for the upper-income people? >> we don't tax enough. the tax rates, percentage of the economy is well above the historic norm and the only way we are going to get out of the debt problems is first we need to do entitlement reform. chris: the president is not doing yet. >> direction of maybe doing so and we need to grow the economy. he's come out with this big tax reform plan and two, he's put out with a great plan and real action to roll back to regulate oirs. chris: wouldn't you agree that this plan would add trillions to the nati...

What president trump said and would mean substantial tax break for the upper-income people? >> we don't tax enough. the tax rates, percentage of the economy is well above the historic norm and the only way we are going to get out of the debt problems is first we need to do entitlement reform. chris: the president is not doing yet. >> direction of maybe doing so and we need to grow the economy. he's come out with this big tax reform plan and two, he's put out with a great plan and real action to roll back to regulate oirs. chris: wouldn't you agree that this plan would add trillions to the nati...

And for them, if you've got a deficit it clearly means that the government doesn't tax enough, we don't have tax enough-- >> or you mean you spend too much, one or the other. >> we believe that the government spends too much. again, two very different views of what the problem is and what's contributed to it, but if you look at revenues and the congress militia budget office in their update two weeks ago said that revenues are coming back, in fact, they're going to exceed by almost a full percentage point the 40 year historical average for the next decade and yet, spending continues to spiral ...

Everybody in this country who somehow victims were honest hard working people and organizations that had zero to do with the circumstances. >> could i help with that. >> neil: adam, go ahead. >> i disagree with the way you said it, charles, but there is a lot of truth what you say. the president social justice is part of his agenda, if you want to put it that way. this is a good conversation. you are right. >> it's a or wellian theme here. we don't spend money. we don't tax enough. the obama presidency and embedded by the media, it makes up its own terms. it describes spending that we don't ta...

And somehow everybody in in country who are somehow victims were victims from honest hard working people and organizations that had nothing, zero to do with the circumstance in life. >> could i help with that. >> neil: adam, go ahead, go ahead. >> well, i obviously disagree with the way you said it, charles, but there's a lot of truth to what you say. and the president absolutely, social justice is part of his agenda, if you want to put it that way so this is a good conversation, you're right. the president stands for social justice. >> it's an or wellion theme here. we don't spend money, we d...