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Negotiations further until republicans put a rate increase on the table. and this is where boehner is running into trouble. do you think they'll eventually put a rate increase on the table? >> they're either going to do that or take us into a very dangerous fiscal situation over the cliff. this is a loosy in the football situation and the president says, i'm not going to kick again until you show me some serious commitment. and keep in mind, this is the republican leadership that supported the $718 billion of savings in medicare that was part of the health care provisions to extend the life of...

The supporters of the president obama who are thirsting for what they say is a push back on quote-unquote lies from paul ryan, from mitt romney that they really are salivating for this aggressive push back. does biden need to do that, for example, if the $718 billion at the romney/ryan ticket claims is being stolen, i believe it was their word at one point in time, from medicare given to obama care, does biden, vice president biden have to really like put the hold up, wait a minute, and go in on congressman ryan? >> look, he has it to obviously put up something of a rebuttal and satisfy that i...

Actual percentage of income combined. romney gave 29% and obama gave 22% and biden gave 1.5%. how will they address taxes in the first debate? >> president obama is going to try to painted mitt romney, his economic plan of wanting to help the 1% trying to play in that occupy wall street mentality that romney only cares about the rich and his friends. romney is going to try to say, i wanted to improve the economy by lowering taxes for everyone, to cut reductions but make eight simpler tax system and help everybody in turning around the economy. you will see two different messages on taxes. >> h...

$718 billion of cost reductions in the ryan budget? president obama -- no, that matters. that matters. that's his integrity. did he do it or not? fred, did he do it or not? tell the people watching us. >> mitt romney is not advocating -- >> no, no, tell the people -- tell the people -- >> i don't know. >> you don't know that? >> i'd have to look at the record. >> fill him in, andrea. fill him in. fill him in. >> the first ryan budget did have that, the second ryan budget did not. now, of course, he has adopted his standard bearers position. >> if i could, i think you just made the point, i thi...

For. he didn't say on medicare, the thing he attacked president obama for, reducing medicare costs by $718 billion, he endorsed and put in his first budget and all those cuts come not from beneficiaries but from providers. lower reimbursements for hospitals and private insurance company. he didn't tell the truth about the auto plant that closed in wisconsin. so when you peeled back the onion from that attractive outer core, you're finding someone who just can't tell the truth because the truth hurts. >> fred malik, was a star born, though, not only in fred -- in paul ryan, fred, but let's take...