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Actually increase the solvency of the plan. brendan, you know the details better than i do, but also to lower costs for the program and if i'm not mistaken, the cbo said the ryan plan will increase costs. >> that's exactly right and also that the obama plan in the affordable care act will extend the life of medicare for another eight years. i just said it puts money back into the program. >> lies are you calling out here? come on. >> the program that -- president obama stole money from older americans. >> terry, we're not going to sit here and have a flat out lie. take the $760 billion cuts. >...

Also acknowledge so does congressman ryan's plan. >> i appreciate the facts of thing, but the reality is that the $700 billion has been taken out to pay for obama care, which is wildly unpopular. versus paul ryan's plan and the republican plan, which says if you're over the age of 65, 55, you're fine. your plan won't change. but for people like ourselves, we have to and myself, and you, karen, and you, guy, this is going to go, going to bankrupt in 2024 and no one disputes that. >> i'm so glad you mentioned the fact it's going bankrupt because guy, my read of the obama plan says, again, let's ...

We have. it's the demagoguery on the left that is new here and that presents a special challenge to senior, so democrats among senior voters. president obama -- >> hold on. >> a measure of this -- but in 2010, the democrats lost the senior vote by -- >> wait a second. >> fact of the matter is is, that's going to be a very significant margin of victory for whoever wins this election is who wins this battle over defining the issue of entitlement. >> the memo the committee put out said you're not supposed to say entitlement. >> i get to say whatever i want. >> if we agree it's the 760 billion com...

Took out go right back into the program. >> well, listen. ordinarily, the entitlement issue would be a thorn in the side for republicans. it's hardly an election year if the democrats aren't demonizing republican plans. what's different about the this election season, i would submit a huge difference is that this is a first season that we can really say in a presidential campaign that the president himself, the democratic president himself, cut these entitlement programs to pay for his bloated health care budget. >> both the ryan budget, even your side has agreed to this. both the ryan plan an...

President clinton paying 100 percent of the interest at $256 billion and 100 percent of social security at $760 billion and leave $1.6 trillion for essential defense, security, safety, and health spending and that would only be $200 billion less than our entire budget was 10 years ago so it is not the end of the world. it does not have to be a crisis if we plan for it and the administration is being highly irresponsible not at least putting in plan b. >>neil: and democrats and republicans, even to attempt to bring us to this, you whistled past the grave yard to say it is no big deal to not sor...