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Hospitals don't take the program. reform medicaid by giving states the ability to customize the medicaid program to meet the unique needs of their medicaid populations. we think it will make the programs better. >> chris: you say by turning medicaid into a block grant and giving it to the states you can cut $770 billion out of the program over the next ten years and it will have no impact on legitimate recipients? >> these are increases that have not come yet. by repealing obama care and medicaid expansions which haven't occurred yet we are basically preventing an explosion of a program that i...

Year which is the path we are on which takes us away from ever balancing the budget which produces a debt crisis. that is the problem. the president has us on a path toward a debt crisis that hurts everybody. that brings us to a recession. gives us a european kind of experience we want to avoid. we want people going back to work. higher wages. more jobs. a growing economy. we get that by balancing the budget. >> chris: there are two sides to the argument. the president would say the spending cuts and sequester and cuts that you going to propose in the short-term could actually hurt this kind o...

$770 billion out of $970 billion price tag. but should opposition to food stamps put the whole bill at risk? take a look at the consequences. if there is no bill passed by september 30th, the u.s. agricultural policy would enter a kind of bizarre time carp back to the days of truman and fdr. that's because failure to act means the law would revert back to the last time permanent federal provisions were put on the books. both the 1938 in 1949. every bill that's been passed since had superseded those laws but not replaced them. but if the current bill is not extended or replaced, the old laws ki...

Really clearly makes these points. cuts $1.5 trillion from affordable care act, cuts $200 billion from medicare, $770 billion from medicaid, cuts the top tax rate from 35% to 25%. these are clearly not things you would say are fighting in the interest of the middle class. >> a lot of people inside washington, particularly republican party leaders, were really excited about ryan's plan and kind of what an intellectual he is within the party. they forgot in the midterms ryan's plan was taken out by a lot of politicians and they got clobbered with it. it's got a lot of controversial parts. nobody...

Buy toilet paper, they can't buy liquor with food stamps so when you swipe your car they would decline the sale. they have the capability of do it but they lack the will. government lacks the will and convenience stores and the industry lacks the will to do it >> heather: here to a fair and balanced debate. mary wallace and tina jackson. thank you for joining us. >> nation's food stamp program will cost american taxpayers some $770 billion over the next ten years. so should the government be the food police, so to speak, that is question we asked over and over again over the past few decades. ...