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It's not clear that trump had this document in his possession at the time, but we have reporting from other witnesses before the grand jury of other questions asked, it's showing it's primarily an espionage investigation. the fact that we are talking about the classified documents and what trump might have shown people, that is textbook espionage investigation under section 793 of title 18. >> this also shows when trump has been talking about this he's been lying time and time again. of course, as we saw in town hall meetings, republicans cheer

Yes, there's the obstruction element here because that's been such a big part, you know, with the movement of boxes in and out of the storage room. we have discussed it so often. but the fact that we are talking about the classified documents and what trump might have shown people, that is textbook espionage investigation under section 793 of title 18. >> again, this also shows that when donald trump has been talking about this, he's been lying time and time and time again. now, of course, as we saw on the cnn town hall meeting, republicans actually cheer when he brags about being a liar, but ...

Information. is itself a crime. number two, the fact that it is a government record is itself a separate crime that one could be charged with. so there is a lot going on here. and if the document is real, this is potentially quite bad evidence for the former president. >> you and others have pointed to the espionage act and i'll read how it describes this kind of document. section 793 of the espionage act. relating to the national defense or information relating to the national defense which information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the united states or to ...

Is unclear. this is strong evidence, that of course, he knew he couldn't do or do things with them. then as the espionage act or conspiracy that doesn't require consternation, having him brand stuff like this and obviously be eager to show it in conjunction with other testimony which katie's team has reported that he would be under the habit of showing it to people. that grounds a whole separate offense, under 793, espionage act, if smith wants to bring it. >> so, harry, you are an obstruction hawk, and you do not spend as much time on this program talking about what's publicly facing and pote...

Section 793 of the espionage, dissemination and retention. so far we only have the retention, at least with respect to this recording and it's not clear if that alone is sufficient to charge. if there is evidence that he was showing classified documents, then it really is game over. >> glenn, fall up on that because the question is taking the documents to bedminster, we know there so some obstruction issues with refusing to give them back when they were asked for. this takes place before they send documents back. we know there have been conversations with staffers about how, hey, do the securi...