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It's his pattern. what the market is seeing is his ability to say i am willing to negotiate some of these terms. it's important. >> you don't see politicians doing that. the president of the united states, when he says something, it's not necessarily about posturing but about actually meaning it. in this particular case, may be that this president is thinking more like a businessman as opposed to a politician. you know, that's going to come with it certain hiccups like the market freaking out like it did last week. as long as it gets you to the right place ultimately, are you okay with it? >> ...

This is something the conservatives look very favorable toward, and it's how they would peg the growth rate. at least in the house legislation, it would be pegged to inflation -- medical inflation, essentially. what the senate is actually considering right now is pegging it to just inflation. the house bill, jake, would cut $810 billion over the next ten years. that has moderate senators concerned on their own. the senate bill, if they were to follow through on the proposal that's on the table right now, would cut it a lot more. you talk to sheli moore, they made it clear they would not discus...

And we've seen them hammering the website, they moved past that, hammering plan cancellations. they're moving past that now. what do you anticipate is the next chapter of this? >> i think the latest line of attack seems to be this strand of thinking that the affordable care act represents a redistribution of wealth in some way, shape or form. we saw that rolled out as talking points over the weekend, and to some extent, we can expect that that may continue. i don't believe that that really is going anywhere, and it's a debate that we should actually embrace. >> that's right. >> the republican ...

They're moving past that now. what do you anticipate is the next chapter of this? >> i think latest line of attacks seems to be this strand of thinking that the affordable care act represents a redistribution of wealth in some way, shape or form. we saw that rolled out as talking points over the weekend, and to some extent, we can expect that that may continue. i don't believe that that really is going anywhere, and it's a debate that we should actually embrace. >> that's right. >> the republican plan as it relates to health care put forth in the paul ryan budget would end medicare as we know ...

Security over the next ten years. it will run out in about 15, 17 years or so, the whole thing, that includes $810 billion on social security just this year alone and it is expected to run out in 2033. let's talk about this. max rich man is the president of the national committees to preserve social security and medicare. and mia mcginnis is on the committee for the federal budget. do you think we node to reform entitlements to any extent? >> first of all, we have said from the outset that changes to social security and medicare should be done for the sake of these programs, and not as bargain...